I did that search and came up with the Wikipedia entry on 30th Century BC,… and it lists Djer, a Pharoah of Egypt, and Otzi, the Iceman… ?!? And THEN it hits the Yu-gi-oh /Machine King stuff.
Google turned up with a bunch of Yu-Gi-Oh, but a Yahoo search came up with the Egyptian king Menes, who founded the first dynasty.
Then some stuff about Sumer and Akkad and even the biblical flood, but nothing directly about Gilgamesh.
Dan doesn’t know about Gilgamesh? Maybe he focused too much on King Arthur.
(That doesn’t look like Google’s search engine…)
Let’s see. Alex told Dan and Nicole about this mysterious ‘Dreamer’ that Abaddon seemed to regard as their leader, so it’s not as if Nicole is in the dark about what Dan’s saying. Although he might want to share what the clues actually are. That might come out during the search, though.
(Not to belabor the point, but there’s STILL something that looks like a real life, hostile, giant sized Bugs Bunnyan Tasmanian Devil on the floor, perhaps not dead. Dan and Nicole SHOULD be being a bit concerned about that.)
Nicole’s line of research probably doesn’t involve dissecting. She could, however, hook him up to all the equipment she has at her lab and put in a request to use other equipment such as an MRI or something… Totally should do that.
Her equipment only works with living brains. (All right, it worked with Alex, too. For a while.) Probably she has already checked the furry guy for life signs off screen finding none.
Still, there’s a lot to be learnt from a hive-mind creature’s corpse. Find its telepathy circuits. Maybe even figure out a way to disrupt their brain to brain communications. They may turn out to be exceptional pets once their mental link to the Sleeper and the hive is broken.
Um. Could somebody kindly remind me how did Dan learn about the Dreamer in the first place?
We’ve heard the Sleeper mentioned, I guess, around the time Abbadon threatened to take Nas to Chimaera (taking her to Hydra instead—is this still there, Scott?) but was Alex, his only link to Dreamland at the moment, there to convey the name to Dan?
You gotta love those cut and paste frames to make it easier on the artist. LOL.
On the bright side though, you did manage to distract everyone and I’m not going to push that button since I don’t want to open that cans of worms. LOL.
I was hoping he was only unconsious… OK, maybe “hoping” is not exactly the right sentiment here… ^^;
Difficult to figure out what the telepathy circuit is if the creature is dead… unless you keep the brain alive, stimulate different parts of it, and suddenly find a bunch of nightmare creatures on your doorstep be like “hey, heard one of our bros talking nonsense here?”
Or, if the brain is still alive, perhaps it can still receive messages? So see which part of the brain lights up whenever the others talk?
But if the beast has been dead since Nicole knocked him out (unlikely) and they’re just leaving him like that, chances of saving the brain, even just for structural analysis is probably slim. Will just be able to study his other body parts. Can maybe open up his stomach and see what he had for dinner…
It’s war. Any tiny bit of data on your opponent helps. And then again, this telepathic thing may be pretty obvious. Organic Wi-Fi aerial or some such. Measure it, and you know the frequencies used. Generate enough noise there, and they’re telepathically deaf, at least while the jammer runs.
I’d say it’s Namer, not Gilgamesh. There were a few kings with the name Gilgamesh, but the most famous one ruled in 27th century BC (2700-2600 BC).
Namer’s rule was first dated 32nd-31st century BC (3200-3000 BC), but more recent research puts a wider range of 34th-30th century BC (3400-2900 BC).
And it fits perfectly with the Egyptian theme and references to Ramses and how they are from the same-ish region/culture.
The tomb of Djet, however, was widely considered in Egypt to be the tomb of Osiris. Osiris was indeed revered as the “first king” of Egypt, AND the god of the underworld. He did exist in a sort of limbo since he was the first for whom a sort of ritual resurrection was invented, but that resurrection was incomplete.
Well, if you go for Mesopotamian/Sumerian city states, I get the “first King of the first dynasty” at the city state Kish (where euphrat and Tigris meet, in later times the most influencal city in the area) and pretty much exactly at 3000 BC.
correction, euphrat and tigris approached each other there, (with fertile land in between) they only meet much further south. Also the rivers changed course since, their closest approach is now 80 km further north, near modern day Bagdad
SO MUCH THIS.
Dan kept secrets that could have helped Alex do better AND avoid pain and suffering in dreamland.
Why did Dan never talk to Alex about Lucid Dreaming? He told him to try hard to work to fly again and believe, instead of trying to help him to learn to lucid dream or tell him what it would enable him to do. He wrote secret messages back and forth and didn’t share with Alex.
I just don’t get why he kept all this secret and why it’s okay and why we accept him as the rightful king etc… Do not like, Sam I Am…
Dan was the rightful king all along. That’s why he could never enter Dreamland as long as Nick kept not quite dead Arthur in that cave.
As for keeping a bit too much knowledge to himself… I really hope we’ll see a very convincing explanation before the story ends. Or maybe this story will instead teach children to never trust kings or any other rulers—which is just as good in my book.
my wiki-fu shows that:
Another name for Menes was Namur. Namur’s wife was Neithhotep who is related to the goddess Neith who (with her hunting and archery and animals) kinda reminds me of elves. Maybe Alex and Nastajia are just the latest episode of a long history of royal Human-Elf relations!
Okay, I type that into Google and I get this: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Machine_King_-_3000_B.C.
The phrase Abbadon was saying would have been a better query, but that one should turn up Gilgamesh.
LazerWulf beat me to it…first two results in google are Yu-Gi-Oh! related. LOL.
The fourth result talks about the History of Sumer and Gilgamesh of Uruk.
There is a famous tale of Gilgamesh…one of the oldest known stories to survive to this day…
I did that search and came up with the Wikipedia entry on 30th Century BC,… and it lists Djer, a Pharoah of Egypt, and Otzi, the Iceman… ?!? And THEN it hits the Yu-gi-oh /Machine King stuff.
Alas, Djer is said to have been but the third king of his dynasty.
Looks like the place was swarming with royal types by that time.
“I want to know more about something.”
“That’s a damn shame.”
And that’s what life was like in the 90s.
This is why libraries had encyclopedias!
Will anyone out there attempt such a search themselves?!?!?
The real question: Google or Bing?
Or, if we are counting time from back when this comic started in the mid-2000s: Google, Yahoo or Ask Jeeves?
Google turned up with a bunch of Yu-Gi-Oh, but a Yahoo search came up with the Egyptian king Menes, who founded the first dynasty.
Then some stuff about Sumer and Akkad and even the biblical flood, but nothing directly about Gilgamesh.
Dan doesn’t know about Gilgamesh? Maybe he focused too much on King Arthur.
(That doesn’t look like Google’s search engine…)
Let’s see. Alex told Dan and Nicole about this mysterious ‘Dreamer’ that Abaddon seemed to regard as their leader, so it’s not as if Nicole is in the dark about what Dan’s saying. Although he might want to share what the clues actually are. That might come out during the search, though.
(Not to belabor the point, but there’s STILL something that looks like a real life, hostile, giant sized Bugs Bunnyan Tasmanian Devil on the floor, perhaps not dead. Dan and Nicole SHOULD be being a bit concerned about that.)
Geeks. Give them a computer with unlimited Internet access and they forget about everything else.
(Still, Nicole should be itching to dissect a non-human intelligent life form. What is she waiting for?)
Nicole’s line of research probably doesn’t involve dissecting. She could, however, hook him up to all the equipment she has at her lab and put in a request to use other equipment such as an MRI or something… Totally should do that.
yes FOR SCIENCE!
Her equipment only works with living brains. (All right, it worked with Alex, too. For a while.) Probably she has already checked the furry guy for life signs off screen finding none.
Still, there’s a lot to be learnt from a hive-mind creature’s corpse. Find its telepathy circuits. Maybe even figure out a way to disrupt their brain to brain communications. They may turn out to be exceptional pets once their mental link to the Sleeper and the hive is broken.
Um. Could somebody kindly remind me how did Dan learn about the Dreamer in the first place?
We’ve heard the Sleeper mentioned, I guess, around the time Abbadon threatened to take Nas to Chimaera (taking her to Hydra instead—is this still there, Scott?) but was Alex, his only link to Dreamland at the moment, there to convey the name to Dan?
You gotta love those cut and paste frames to make it easier on the artist. LOL.
On the bright side though, you did manage to distract everyone and I’m not going to push that button since I don’t want to open that cans of worms. LOL.
As usual, great job Tracey and Scott!
I was hoping he was only unconsious… OK, maybe “hoping” is not exactly the right sentiment here… ^^;
Difficult to figure out what the telepathy circuit is if the creature is dead… unless you keep the brain alive, stimulate different parts of it, and suddenly find a bunch of nightmare creatures on your doorstep be like “hey, heard one of our bros talking nonsense here?”
Or, if the brain is still alive, perhaps it can still receive messages? So see which part of the brain lights up whenever the others talk?
But if the beast has been dead since Nicole knocked him out (unlikely) and they’re just leaving him like that, chances of saving the brain, even just for structural analysis is probably slim. Will just be able to study his other body parts. Can maybe open up his stomach and see what he had for dinner…
Dan and Nicodemus were taken to the dreamer by Abaddon in the pages before we came back here to earth.
Here is the page. 🙂 http://thedreamlandchronicles.com/comic/page-1842/
Oh, yes. But Dan had asked for the meeting himself. Politely. Yet, obviously already knowing at least that the Dreamer existed.
http://thedreamlandchronicles.com/comic/page-1791-2/
It’s war. Any tiny bit of data on your opponent helps. And then again, this telepathic thing may be pretty obvious. Organic Wi-Fi aerial or some such. Measure it, and you know the frequencies used. Generate enough noise there, and they’re telepathically deaf, at least while the jammer runs.
Agh, beat me to it.
But not the hero of the epic “Gilgamesh”, rather his great-great-great-[…]-great-grandfather
I’d say it’s Namer, not Gilgamesh. There were a few kings with the name Gilgamesh, but the most famous one ruled in 27th century BC (2700-2600 BC).
Namer’s rule was first dated 32nd-31st century BC (3200-3000 BC), but more recent research puts a wider range of 34th-30th century BC (3400-2900 BC).
And it fits perfectly with the Egyptian theme and references to Ramses and how they are from the same-ish region/culture.
The tomb of Djet, however, was widely considered in Egypt to be the tomb of Osiris. Osiris was indeed revered as the “first king” of Egypt, AND the god of the underworld. He did exist in a sort of limbo since he was the first for whom a sort of ritual resurrection was invented, but that resurrection was incomplete.
Well, if you go for Mesopotamian/Sumerian city states, I get the “first King of the first dynasty” at the city state Kish (where euphrat and Tigris meet, in later times the most influencal city in the area) and pretty much exactly at 3000 BC.
That would be King Gaur of Kish
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsMiddEast/MesopotamiaKish.htm
Kish only lost its dominance in the area when King Gilgamesh (the famous one) around 2650 BC
correction, euphrat and tigris approached each other there, (with fertile land in between) they only meet much further south. Also the rivers changed course since, their closest approach is now 80 km further north, near modern day Bagdad
If the Nightmare Realm starts using the Gate of Babylon, I’m leaving.
Yep, libraries were my internet back in the day!
Ah, I misunderstood your question. 🙂
SO MUCH THIS.
Dan kept secrets that could have helped Alex do better AND avoid pain and suffering in dreamland.
Why did Dan never talk to Alex about Lucid Dreaming? He told him to try hard to work to fly again and believe, instead of trying to help him to learn to lucid dream or tell him what it would enable him to do. He wrote secret messages back and forth and didn’t share with Alex.
I just don’t get why he kept all this secret and why it’s okay and why we accept him as the rightful king etc… Do not like, Sam I Am…
Dan was the rightful king all along. That’s why he could never enter Dreamland as long as Nick kept not quite dead Arthur in that cave.
As for keeping a bit too much knowledge to himself… I really hope we’ll see a very convincing explanation before the story ends. Or maybe this story will instead teach children to never trust kings or any other rulers—which is just as good in my book.
Minoan culture first crops up around 3000 BC named after king Minos
Oh my god, I totally forgot Ask Jeeves was a thing.
And that *Would* fit with the other gate being in Egypt…
my wiki-fu shows that:
Another name for Menes was Namur. Namur’s wife was Neithhotep who is related to the goddess Neith who (with her hunting and archery and animals) kinda reminds me of elves. Maybe Alex and Nastajia are just the latest episode of a long history of royal Human-Elf relations!