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Hi all!
Well…this is the end of Chapter 17!
Whew!
It’s amazing. Every time I start a new chapter, I feel “There’s no WAY I’m going to finish this. There’s SO much in this chapter”.
And yet…here I am again.
🙂
We introduced Niviene/Merlin. We saw Felicity and Nicole meet again. And we finally found Seraphopolis!
I’m hard at work on the next chapter where we will learn ALL about these amazing Egyptians who live in Dreamland.
We’ll be seeing the Nightmare Realm.
And we’ll discover the fate of Nastajia’s parents.
We’ll learn more of Merlin’s fate.
Oh…and we’ll even see Lord Abaddon.
Chapter 18 is going to be really big.
I hope you will enjoy it.
It’s going to be a few weeks until we’re ready to go.
Stefano is building out Seraphopolis and we’re working on some designs for the Nightmare realm.
I’ve updated the vote incentive with a new wallpaper.
And I’ll check back here daily.
If I can…I’ll come up with some updates during the hiatus.
Scott
“…but your princess’ parents are in another castle!”
Sorry. I had to. 🙂
A few WEEKS! I might go through a horrible withdrawl! I guess I’ll just have to read teh 5 Dreamland books I have in the meantime… 🙂
Scott, your artwork is just so incredible! Ditto your storytelling.
And it doesn’t hurt at all that Nastajia is so damn HOT.
Love the artwork, and the story! I can’t wait to see more!!!! But I do have one question… Does the queen not have any wings? And if so… why???
the designs are beautiful and i can’t wait for chpt 18!
a couple of things though:
1)where is the rest of the queen’s left arm?
2) the flying guardian in the upper left looks like he’s about to get his head sliced off by the other guardian’s wing.
That’s got to be a bear to make sure everyone has enough wing room!
The mechanical nature of the wings is really well done. They look like they’re made of stained glass, too. Very cool. This is a good cap to the chapter, though I’m looking forward to the next one.
Nice!
Meanwhile, some time back over at Stark City Limits,
“Egypto-NeoVictorian Noir. Pharaoh mobsters in top hats. I really feel I’ve tapped into a neglected genre here.”
http://starkcitylimits.com/extra-07/
This is all too cool. :D. ‘Grats on completing the Chapter >D!. Here’s to the next >D! So awesome…
Why did the ruler address Alex as king? Maybe he should say, “Um…my brother Daniel is the TRUE king,not I!”
Seems like the carp queen is the only one that doesn’t realize that Alexander in the king.
When I read in the commentary that this page was going to be a splash of the Pharaoh, I was expecting it to be awesome. I was not disappointed. 😀 Great page!
Neither the Pharaoh nor the queen have their wings on.
I took them off as it would have been Wingapalooza otherwise.
Since they have straps…it’s kind of obvious they aren’t a part of them.
My assumption is, the denizens of Seraphopolis only wear wings when they need to fly.
Drat. Bad placement of the word bubble.
Her hands are behind her back. The placement cuts off the bend in her elbow.
so how do you pronounce Seraphopolis? I keep saying in my mind Sera-Top-olis, but the spelling is Sera-Fop-olis… but that doesn’t sound right to me.
Nice that Alexander gets recognized as king again. 🙂
Great page! Still, those are such awesome wings! And those characters look so great in general. Wow!
Ooooh, so much to look forward to in chapter 18, good luck with the preparations!
I guess SerafoPolis. Polis is Greek for City and Seraphims are the highest order of the angels in the bible. So one possible meaning could be City of Angels.
See, now this if where dyslectia comes in handy, untill now I just read it as Serapholis, making it easy to pronounce. Never even noticed the additional “po” in there untill now.
The downside of this ofcource is that the naming that way is just wrong.
Words truly fail me here. The only thought I feel I can truly articulate is I WANT WINGS LIKE THAT!!!
The Queen looks familar for me. It remembers me to the famous bust of Nofretete which is shown at the “Neues Museum” (new museum) in Berlin.
Looks like there’s a jutter in the rendering of one feather in the upper left-hand side of the page. Didn’t see anyone mention it, so I thought I’d say something..
Beautiful spread though, and I love the new character designs! Can’t wait to see the rest of the city…The lighting is very well done as well 🙂
Gorgeous! But the queen is missing one arm and could use some more shading and highlights on her face. Women still have skin! 😀
Or maybe they know better then the grumpy mermaid.
Well, and me. 😉
Actually, I’ll qualify that. Everyone knows that Alexander is currently king. It doesn’t mean he will continue to be king. That’s up to him and Daniel.
Her arm is behind her back. 🙂 Also, the angle of the light is coming in from the upper right and she has her back turned to it. That may be why there is not as much shading on her face…she is basically in shadow.
And she’s gorgeous! Great character designs. Is the young man behind them the prince?
1) I have a feeling, with that greeting, we’ll be seeing the rebuttal to last chapter’s point of view on kingship. Presenting different views on a hard subject (like what makes a ruler’s claim proper) is often very interesting.
2) It’s an interesting choice to make Egyptian descendants phenotypically African. The royal dynasties no doubt shifted between various “races” in Egypt’s long history, and there has been a lot of debate when attempting to do reconstructions of their faces what is appropriate. I can’t remember off the top of my head what current scholarship suggests to be the phenotype background of Ramses II and probably couldn’t find it without dragging down obscure textbooks on the subject of race and culture political shifts in Ancient Egypt. From a layman’s view, I think the African phenotype is a good choice to avoid “whitewashed fantasy” (something that has not afflicted the Dreamland Chronicles, but is common, perhaps naturally, in fantasy works with the usual European roots)
3) Stained glass robo-wings! Awesome! I really do love this design already. The color scheme picked (teal, gold, and a little red-brown) is gorgeous and very reminiscent of what remnants we have of ancient Egyptian art still in possession of their paint without directly copying, well, anything that I’ve seen. But there seems to be a wing without an owner extending from behind Pharaoh to cover much of the left half of the image. It seems a bit foreground to belong to the standing guard on the right.
How did they know his name and that he is king? Especially since no one could contact them? Did they have UAVs spying on people, or spycams?
I think it was referenced at one point that they have capabilities similar to Niviene’s spying pool. That, and they could just fly around watching stuff. Given what we’ve seen of their technology so far, I would assume they have pretty good binoculars/telescopes if nothing better.
Pronounce it like “serif oppolis”. A “seraph” is a kind of angel (the term comes from Hebrew), and “-opolis” is a popular suffix for a city (as in “Metropolis”), coming from the Greek word “polis”, meaning a city-state. So “Seraphopolis” suggests “city of angels”.
I’m totally in love with the wings! I just stared at this page for a while, taking in all the beauty! 🙂
friendly people for being stuck in a floating island and isolated for a thousand years.
Lord Abaddon? Did I miss a reference somewhere?
*reads archives*
Does this remind anyone else
Of Michael Jackson’s video “Remember the Time”? I see Shaq 😉
I have only one word: awesome! Great job as always, Scott. We’re so privileged that you share your vision and story with us. Can’t wait until you’re ready to begin the next chapter! 🙂
I actually have three more words: vote fellow Dreamies! http://topwebcomics.com/vote/4274/default.aspx
that’s right! King Alexander! Him!
So ends probably the most interesting chapter so far. Ta-da!
Marvellous work, Scott. Thanks a lot.
My thanks also go to Dreamies, for their comments and TWC votes. Speaking of which, it’s #4 with 590 votes against #3’s 630. C’mon friends. The chapter is over but the story goes on. Help others discover Dreamland, keep voting!
This is so beautiful… I don’t have any other words for this page.
I’m curious as to what these new characters will be like. 🙂
*smirk*
Who’s lived in a dank cave all these years. Agreed. Silly fish-woman.
The leader of the nightmare realm, Nic’s boss pretty much. He was mentioned in the reading of the heiroglyphs on the pillars by grumpy fishlady’s cave.
Still,you two might be right!
*thumbs up* XD
They are gorgeous people. This is a very awesome page to end the chapter with. Kudos, Scott and company.
I sense a civil war between the two brothers
one question how did they know that alex was king…..like the live where no one can get to……?
Talk about teasers. Now I have to wait TWO whole weeks before the story starts up again. I feel like I’m anticipating the opening weekend of the most anticipated movie of the year. Which, when this comes out on big screen, I will be giddy with delight. Uncontrollably giddy!!!
Can’t figure out who’s wing that is that looks like it belongs to the king (if he doesn’t have his)
The queen looks like she’s missing a little color. Like an unpainted Jessie from Toy Story 2.
amazing
Wow, super nice page!
Fate of Nastajia’s parents?! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! *bounces around* Chapter 18 is the Best Chapter Ever!
Abaddon is a great name, I’d name one of my children that… but I don’t think she’d appreciate it : D
I’d say the only thing I don’t think works on this page, and that’s one thing out of like ninety-nine, is the female’s face. It looks a bit blank.
Wow, the wings, I cannot get over those lovely wings.
Gah no! I just spent 3 days of holiday reading through all 1513 pages and now I have to wait several weeks for more?
Love this story by the way, can’t wait to see what happens next.
*blinks a coupla times* Is it me, or are all of the guards male? Are there no female soldiers in their army?
Meanwhile on TWC… #2!
We have 1,374 votes. #1 has 1,489. Vote, fellow Dreamies! We’ve never been so close to #1.
I don’t know if any one else got this ad but on the side of my screen there was an ad for Royal Caribbean ad that asked if you were “a dreamer or a doer”
Breathtaking. Stunning. Beautiful.
Congratulations.
so am I the only one thinking this was all too easy? Wasn’t Seraphopolis supposed to be Really Hard to get to?
Seems like an awful lot to cram into one chapter…does that mean you’ve decided to speed things up and end it in chapter 18? it’d be a real shame to come this far, only to sacrifice the storytelling just to get the comic over with…
a handful of guards hardly qualifies as an army, or even an accurate sample of an army…
Just so you know, “Abbaddon” is the name of one of the Dukes of Hell, in old christian mythology. So might not be the best choice for naming your child…….
The famous binocular that halp listening to hear the name 😛
Sorry, could not resist!
Thanks Sava for the wonderful and massive chapter, look forward the next – with even more promises!
Well, a question of definition. They had to think of the name of Nivene (Dan), ask the correct people (Meermaids), fight some big sea snakes, find the correct person, get her (was easy, but required listening to snarky remarks) to lead them to the magic elevator, then jump from island to island to finally arrive.
Told like this, not as easy as taking the metro to go to work…
Man, what an awesome page! It looks like a movie poster. Great work, Scott!
Hey, folks. We did it. TWC #1, with 2,013 votes, followed closely by #2 with 1,990.
They’re too close to relax. Vote, Dreamies, vote!
That would be easier to intuit if her other arm was also bent to be behind her back. 🙂 Well…Maybe. 😀
No no no.
Things aren’t resolved. But we’re filling in a lot of blanks.
Welcome to Dreamland.
Thanks for reading.
Nah…Alex and Dan don’t strike me as the civil warring type.
And Alex is king, but Dan is supposed to be king. 🙂 Subtle difference I suppose.
Thank you all for the support and votes!
You and I are are two of the very few on the same page about that, I think. 🙂
They’re only 54 votes behind us now! 🙁
Not saying that your commentary on the epic-ness of Chapter 18 is off by any means, Scott, but I think every chapter has seemed as if it was huge and major before it began. 🙂 I remember thinking that it was a big deal to learn that there had been other human adults in Dreamland who had been kings. Of course, this past chapter also had a lot packed in as well…including the most emotionally impactful character you’ve created so far (I don’t think Nic even inspired as much ire as Niviene)…who happens to be the prettiest of the females you’ve created so far too IMO. 🙂
Can’t wait for the pretty and the awesome to come!!!
#2 is now 66 votes behind TDC! We are, ever slowly, pulling away… can we keep it up for a whole month?
Tune in tomorrow, same time, same TWC channel…
We’re number 1! We’re number 1! The margin is still too narrow for comfort, though… a difference of 90. But even if we end out the month in the top five, it’s nice to know that Dreamland was in the number 1 spot for a while, just as it deserves!
I just think it’s a fantastic plot device and look forward to seeing how the brothers handle it, how it affects their relationship and how it affects Dreamland.
There is always deeper magic.
Because it’s not enough to reach #1; you have to stay there.
I agree. I don’t know how they know that since they live in a sort of alternate dimension. I bet it will be revealed later.
Agreed. I think most adventurers would never have made it past the sea serpents.
I never understood why acient egyptians were always viewed as being black. Its not the fact that they were black but that they were out in such extreme heat so often they got really tanned. That being said, amazing page Scott, the wings are especially beautiful. 🙂
DX Gah! Why must I find all excellent webcomics in the middle of a break or when they’re done?? took me 3 days to catch up. Not my best time, but some of the scenes were so hilarious they called for extra reading. Such as the Princess Bride references. First time ‘inconceivable’ showed up, I couldn’t stop laughing for 5 minutes! XD And the art…I’ve never seen a webcomic with this style before. Quite unique, and, in my opinion, better than the normal cartoony types. 😛 I shall wait as patiently as possible for the next chapter as well as the next chocolate bars I’ll get…just finished my last one. DX
So should I check back in at three weeks to a month? I seem to recall that’s how long it took last time…
Well, they certainly weren’t caucasian.
Like meh-TRAH-sih-tee.
😉
Aw. Well thank you very much.
I promise, I am working very hard to get the next chapter ready to go.
Welcome to Dreamland.
Check back every day. Say hi.
I’ll try to post things during that time.
🙂
I have a humble request, Desmond. Is there any chance I could get you to switch from calling us “Dreamies” to calling us “Dreamers”?
This is purely for selfish reasons, I admit: years ago, when I was at the forefront of drumming up TWC votes for The Dreamland Chronicles, I got in the habit of calling everyone Dreamers. Now, every time you say “Dreamers” there’s a little voice in the back of my head that shouts “not Dreamies, Dreamers!” at me. I tell it to shush, that the terminology doesn’t matter as long as people are voting. But I’d really like to shut the little sucker up for good.
So … “Dreamers”? What do you think?
(And the voting link is still under my name, for any of my fellow Dreamers that still haven’t voted yet.)
(sigh)
Scott, add one more vote for a comment edit button.
‘ … every time you say “Dreamers” … ‘ should be ‘ … every time you say “Dreamies” … ‘. Obviously.
😳
Checking back in 🙂 saying “Hi!” and that I voted! 😀 Still love the page…. I can almost see the wings move!!!
Middle Eastern-esque is what I always thought. Dark hair and medium skin. I wouldn’t say their skin was dark because they were in the sun, I’m sure they were born with it, but they seemed (according to their painting colors) to like to think of themselves as fairer skinned. I like the term bronze-skinned. Sounds very pretty, but just mho =D
Well…it IS Africa.
There’s good evidence that Egyptians (at least at some points in history) were black.
I prefer this version. At least for Dreamland. It’s so easy to have everything get white-washed in stories.
Ahhh! We just fell to second place, with 235 votes behind Grrl Power!
Let’s move this up again!
Actually it depends on who the invaders were at the time. Yes, there was a period of blacks, but there were also the perisan, macidonians, and then the romans (quite colorful lot).
But also keep in mind that there is a theory that ‘egyptians’ did not build the pyramids or the sphinx. Keep in mind that there were civilizations that existed that we know NOTHING about. We know there are civilizations that played with nuclear warfare (the sites still show as radioactive).
I would say that civilization climbed, fell, climbed again, fell again, and we’re climbing again, but without realizing that we are repeating a lot of the same technology (we’re basically re-discovering it, not inventing it).
A preview would be nice, too, but I realize this is a comments section, not a forum, so it may not be possible. Would be nice, though…
And yes, I also prefer “Dreamers” to “Dreamies”… the first one is one who dreams, whereas the second one sounds like a colloquialism for someone who’s “a dream” (aka a catch, handsome/pretty, or some such).
Uhhh. That’s tough, for tiny voices in my head tell me otherwise. I’ll see what I can do. 🙂
Meanwhile, we’re down to #2 with 2,444 votes against #1’s 2,675.
#3: 2,280, #4: 2,241, #5: 2,238. The competition is intense.
Elves, Dwarves, Fairies, Stone Giants, Teddy Bears, and occasional Humans reading this, Dreamland Needs Your Votes!
Megamind FTW!
Frankly, a lot of what we presume we know about ancient Egypt was passed down by white European explorers and archeologists who refused to believe that black Africans were capable of creating such a complex and dynamic civilization, so they focused more on the later, Post-Rameses, Libyan-Greco-Roman dynasties who were fairer skinned and therefore more palatable to European sensitivities, and retconned the earlier dynasties, about which less was known, to match their preference. And by labeling any pesky dark skinned Egyptians on the temple walls Nubians, Ethiopians, or just slaves, the European self-taught experts further disenfranchised the African progenitors.
The later Greco-Roman conquests didn’t begin until after Rameses, and well after the pyramids were built; the Middle Eastern incursion didn’t happen till the 7th c. AD; as one scholar puts it, “Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.”
So by being descendents of Rameses era Egypt, the Seraphopoleans are being portrayed, for a fantasy work, pretty close to reality.
/soapbox
Oh, also…how do you post responses to other’s posts? Being a newbie can be quite annoying at times…
Dreamland Chronicles Intermission: Day 1
We’re ready this time. It’s taken months of preparations, but now we’re set. Supplies are stocked, and I am confident that we’ll all make it through alive. It’s up to us to survive on our own for the next few weeks. Your survival is now in your hands.
Whether or not you see the first page of Chapter 18 depends entirely on how well you use the skills you’ve developed during the previous chapters. Carry out frequent rereads. Update a page or two on the Dreamland Chronicles Wiki. Post here on the comment board. Click on adds. But most important of all, Vote.
There will be many dangers in the days ahead. Without proper TDC substitute, some of you may risk becoming genuinely productivity at work. Others face the perilous chances of completing school assignments without approved distractions. But don’t let these discourage you. Just stay focused on the goal, and you will be rewarded with the promised 18th chapter.
Stay strong.
I think they are just being proper. Alex is the king of dreamland at the moment, so it is only proper to use the title. If memory serves, the ancient Egyptians did not have a term like “your highness,” so they would default to the closest title.
Or maybe Scott did not want a speech bubble that would block out half the page to say, “Welcome to Seraphopolis, Your Highness Alexander, Brother of the One True King, Proxy of his Benevolent Rule within the Realms of Dreamland, Duke of Sammiches, Advisor to the Grilled Cheese People of Goudavia, and all around swell guy.”
There’s a reply button at the top of each persons post. Click that and the page will reload with a box at the bottom of all comments saying “Reply to ____”
😀
I agree. 😀
Sounds like the Cycle in Mass Effect. ;P
The speaker looks like Teal’c from Stargate SG-1 😉 Nice! Be awesome if you could get him to do the eye brow raise somewhere 😉
🙂
hope so cuz im confused….
TWC update.
#1: 3,050 votes.
#2: 2,711 votes <= that's us.
#3: 2,679 votes.
Keep voting!
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The problem I have with changing from “Dreamies” to “Dreamers” is that I associate the term “Dreamers” with the folks following “The Dreamer.” That said, I would qualify for both terms, but following the two comics makes it difficult to keep the fan terms straight. 😛
Ooo…neat soapbox! 🙂 I actually didn’t know that, but it makes a lot of sense.
I think this may well qualify as my favorite comment of all time. Why, you ask? Because I’d checked all of my comics from work and was about to start actually working when I realized how little time had elapsed since I sat down at my computer. If I started working diligently now my boss might catch on that I sometimes get lost on these pages for half an hour by the time TDC comes back. 🙂 So I came back to read the comments.
Hi. My name is Julie, and I’m a webcomic addict. 🙂
That’s who he’s been reminding me of! Thank you! 😀 It’s been bugging me.
Update 2.0:
#1: 3,066
#2: 2,729 <= still us!
#3: 2,703 (they're gaining! 🙁 )
I guess it’s now time for all of the guest art submissions for The Dreamland Chronicles.
Well, the Sword of Kings should be the giveaway that he’s the king of Dreamland…but that doesn’t explain how they know his name. 🙂
Hi Julie!
Umm… I know that ‘Seraphim’ is the Hebrew plural noun from ‘saraph’ (verb). ‘Saraph’ means ‘burn’. The term ‘seraphim’ or ‘seraphs’ can refer to an order of angels, but it also means ‘burning ones’. However, they are not the highest level of angels. ‘Archangel’ is the highest, and there is only one (Michael). You can see a short description of these creatures in Isaiah 6.
I’m just wondering how much of the ‘traditional’ seraph you’ll put in your story. Will you have ‘neo-angels’, or semi-orthodox angels, or what? 🙂
I think there are more of us than you think
Huzzah!
Let me guess… you’re Julie’s boss, aren’t you? 🙂
We’re going down! We’re going down!
#1: 3,603
#2: 3,462
#3: 3,366 <= us
#4: 3,054
Keep voting, fans of Dreamland! It isn’t over yet.
Apparently the Seraphs view him as King, whether Niviene does or not!
Excellent!! We should throw a party or something. 🙂
Niviene knows Alex is currently the king. She just believes he should abdicate in favor of Daniel, who by rights would have become king if Nic hadn’t thrown the not-quite-dead-not-quite-alive-Arthur into the mix. 🙂 Yay for complicated!
I hereby nominate Christopher Judge to play this guy in the movie.
😉
I think folks forget. The ONLY reason Daniel has never been able to go to Dreamland is because he was the rightful king. Alex got to Dreamland like all other children because he was not in line to be king and therefore Arthur’s existence there was no impediment to him.
Congrats on the end of another chapter =)
Is Alex actually king, or does he need to be crowned, and until then is just the heir, since he’s holding the sword?
Thanks! 🙂
HI, Julie! I’m also a webcomic addict!. 😛
Seconded! 🙂
But remember that Africa has some widely divergent “races.” I suspect the Negro was not much seen in “Classical” Egypt, as they were closer to the Nubian “Nilotics” (think Masai: tall and slender), while the Copts were more closely related to the Semites and Berbers.
Yes–but the Nubians were Nilotic blacks–very tall and slender, like the Masai. Not the broad and tall black Africans we then to know and think of in America.
LOL! My boss doesn’t belong in the same sentence as the term “webcomics.” She definitely wouldn’t post on one. 😛
They say that admitting your addiction is the first step…now we’ve just got 11 more to go. 😛
😛 lol. I’m a Roll Play addict, though I haven’t been on facebook in forever due to school. :/ But I refuse to hold off on the webcomics. :3
Wait, wait…so…If Alex is the king…and the last human king before him was Arthur…then are Alex and David related to King Arthur?
Hm. Why would Ramses II name his city using a Greek root (-opolis)?
You’re not going to see any women standing guard duty in the American army, never mind one with traditions, etc. from Egypt in the time of Ramses II. Why should this seem remarkable?
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Just please no more female characters that use the patronizing term “my dear”…
All of this xp, and not one of them dinged!
A-a-a-and… guess what, another TWC update.
#1: 4,067 votes.
#2: 4,056 votes.
#3: 3,974 votes <= we are here!
#4: 3,879 votes.
We still can reach #1 once more. We still can sink to #4.
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1) Ramses wasn’t the one stuck in Dreamland. It was his son and others who were left there and required a city.
2) I’m sure that Greeks visited Dreamland in their sleep as well, so perhaps they influenced the decision for a city name?
Huh…I don’t think “my dear” is in and of itself patronizing. It depends on how it’s used. I use it playfully with my husband from time to time, and I can guarantee I’m not being patronizing when I do. 🙂
There is something I think you should know. Scientists did a DNA study of King Tut. and found that King Tut is related to 70% of Europeans current day so therefore, I do believe that the Egyptians were closely related to the early Europeans. So the tale of Anthony marrying Cleopatra their children would have had the same genetic make up and not be seen as half breed. Just helping out.
Except, of course, that the Pharaoh Tutankhamun lived about 1300 years before Cleopatra, and Cleopatra was a descendant of Alexander the Great’s general Ptolemy, a Macedonian, which means there was likely little or no relationship between Cleopatra and Tutankhamun.
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Besides that, in the liturgy, we use “My dear brothers and sisters” frequently. Not at all patronizing, but an expression of solidarity in the family of God.
Voting…now! >:D let’s move this up to FIRST!
*Is female and has stood guard duty* Really now? Also, many African tribal societies as well as ancient egyptians had females as elite guards for the wives and daughters of pharaohs. I can pull out my books if you want. But, as you say, a handful of advanced scouts, does not and army make. And second, I really don’t see why the inclusion of women in Dreamland military is all that important.
I didn’t forget that Dan is the rightful king by birth, but frankly birth or no – it’s a matter of how the people see it. That’s why Nicodemus was King for so long, the people SAW him as the king and obeyed.
As long as he has those who will view him as their king and will follow him, Alex is the ruler.
Besides, since the King is unable to fulfill his duties of the crown, wouldn’t the responsibility and title simply go to the next in line?
Adding to what a previous poster stated, ancient Egyptians were not black, they were descended from Iranians. They had some African admixture + Greek/Roman influence. Additionally, studies have shown that Ramses’s mummy had red hair and a hooknose. Just sayin’. 😡
I’m not disputing that Alex is the ruler right now. I was pointing out (as was Nicole) that Niviene’s position was that Alex should abdicate in favor of his brother since Dan was the rightful heir. It’s 100% true that a king cannot have power if others do not believe in his right to rule or support him. Alex has followers, so he has power as king…but that does not mean he cannot step down in favor of Dan.
No. I think it was covered somewhere in comments before that the Dreamland “heir” is not necessarily related to the previous king.
June 8th update! 🙂
#!: 4,801
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#3: 4,554 <= We are CLOSE to #2!!!!
#4: 4,428
Keep it up Dreamies!!! VOTE!!!
June 8th update, the second…
#1 – 4893
#2 – 4626
#3 – 4619 <= We're inching closer to #2 again!
Vote, Dreamers, vote!
#4 – 4484
And, no, it doesn’t appear that kingship should go to the “next in line” because in Dreamland, kingship is not given along familial lines. It is mystical how the kings are chosen–they are not descendents of one another. It’s possible that Alex was allowed to claim the sword because (at the time) it was the only possible way to get the sword to Dan. Alex is honorable, and the sword could possibly sense that. The fate of the kingship of Dreamland is in the hands of Alex and Dan.
It’s unclear how Dreamland chooses its kings, but it’s been made fairly clear that it is not along familial lines. I think it’s more based on the character of the person.
I use “m’dear” a lot and sure don’t mean it in a patronizing way. But I have noticed every now and then that some folks seem taken aback by it. So I try to make sure I’ve got a relationship solidly in place before I start using it. 🙂
Hardly. The Ramessides in the 19th dynasty were from the Nile Delta, very close to Canaan. On the western side they had Berbers. All of these peoples spoke “Afro-Asiatic” languages and can be assumed to be kin to each other. They weren’t any of them Negroid (as the classifications go).
Also LOL at “disenfranchising” the dead. I guess that’s not a problem for most Afrocentrists, because theit dead most definitely have the electoral franchise, in large numbers…
As for “dreamland”, these people came from the Ramessides who were unlikely to be very Nubian (see my post below). And no Egyptian then or now dreams of being black. You will be shocked to hear what north Africans really think of zanjis.
Signed, someone with Berber and Near-Eastern ancestry who used to live in Algeria.